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Ohhh but poor camera vendors, they lost the market to the bad smartphones so we need to feed their fat organizations so they could continue to live without change No no no! Free market require good and desirable products! No products no sale! Very simple! All talking and advocacy for this refusing to change FAT corporations is pure non-sense! And if they do not change, lower the expenses and make better products, they all will go out of the market.

Very, very, very simple market logic! Video-vs-photo: You have to take in account that modern digital cameras are high tech products, and that a shrinking marked will make the prices rise.

Also, the camera makers are extremely good at offering features that are seen as ‘added value’. The other alternative would be lower priced cameras, but not much new tech. Sony offer products in both segments. In general I agree with you but somehow you are missing the real point here. And the point is – this products are not essential, compared to the smartphones or petrol for example!

And also salaries for photographers drops constantly. We have several reports that show photographers at the bottom of the salary range in the US!

Raising the prices in situation like this is like suicide. Don’t get me started on the “High tech Side” of the things. This guys are so disconnected to the real high tech world that it is really amazing how actually they survive And in general low demand could raise the cost for production but this is not the same as raising the price! You either sell or no. So because your argument is “free market” so vendors should adapt to the market no the opposite!

And if you can not adapt go home! There are China companies ready to cam and buy whole business and make it working with REAL market practices. What a silly situation we are, communist ruled country as China to be better example for free market than US and Japan ruled markets :D!

Same with western “democracy” in which you can go to jail because you protest or talk against different policies Just side notes do not want to start politics debate here Video-vs-photo: 1 The free marked is a construction, strictly regulated within rules, regulations and laws. Everybody know that. Also, photography is a popular leisure activity for many, and most amateurs are willing to pay for high performance tools.

There are photographers earning well, but they don’t compete with the low end jobs that anybody with a camera can enter. Salary or payment for low competence jobs has always been pushed down. Also, without discussing politics, I do NOT share your extremely simple view on ‘communism’ and ‘democracy’.

Magnar W 1. Not sure why you are making this point to be honest? Nowhere I am saying everything could be done with smartphones!

I am talking about market and different kinds of products. High end cameras does not sell well enough to carry the market and it never was like this! Second high volume segment was APS-C and they are going to totally kill it shortly If you have any statistic that could confirm that I will be happy to see it. Otherwise this is just saying. There are some people that make money from this but the point is how many? Because for healthy market you need many customers not just 50 worldwide.

And my notes about current situation do not represent my views, just comment on the facts! Anyway it seems to become endless reply to reply topic. My points above in regards to why this market policy is not based on free market rules are clearly stated.

No need to comment more on this. Of course we will see. No, the laws of economics, what some call the “free market” here, are not broken. One just has to understand what the market really is, in other words the composition of the market in terms of potential customers.

The camera market is and has been shrinking dramatically, due to the smartphone taking over as primary camera for most people. Some might think, well, if my product is selling less, then I need to lower my price. But the problem is that the market has shifted; the smartphone has disrupted it and changed most user’s expectations for what a camera is. Just lowering the prices of dedicated cameras is not going to entice the vast majority of customers to buy a camera rather than use their smartphone.

With most people you could give them a camera and they wouldn’t use it. Because of perceptions of ease of use and carry, and the idea that one will have a smartphone anyway and that the camera is value added, most will still use smartphones. Do you see my words above? So you need to have desirable product, and it need to be good product and on good price!

If product is not desirable does not matter if you will drop or rise the price! You are gone either way! But making same products just new version , rising the prices and blame the market is recipe for disaster, and we see it.

This is why explanation like – they need to rise the prices because the market is failing is nonsense. And not going to work. And if they really know what they are doing they should not be in this situation! This very seems to replicate Kodak story.

So when you analyze the camera market, you have to realize that those low end models are also competing against smartphones, and they don’t win out at any price. So the real market for dedicated cameras is more and more the professional and mostly, high end hobbyists who are really into using quality photo gear. That is the real market. Once you accept that then the behavior of these camera companies makes sense. These camera companies are all coming to the same conclusion for a reason.

They are not stupid. And we saw this same basic phenomenon play out in the audio market years ago and we are left with mostly high end audiophile gear now, along with the smartphones and bluetooth headphones. They are not stu No one with his right mind will chose camera with very basic jpg engine and f3 and above lens, over f2 and faster lens with all latest and greatest AI postprocessing! Actually dead before arrival!

And of course Sony or other vendor will not make law of economics broken. Just will go to bankrupt at some point or out of this market. There is no magical solution for camera companies to go back to their glory days against the smartphone. You cannot assume that a solution exists. And Sony certainly wouldn’t make enough money off of it to justify its existence. Just like the horse and buggy makers couldn’t find a way to compete against cars, the camera companies are not going to be able to compete against the smartphone in any large mass market way.

They can carve out a nice relatively high end niche for themselves though. That is what they are attempting to do. Of course there is magical solution!!! This is the solution which for example make from struggling for decades company like Apple one of the richest!!!

They found the right product and build around it whole ecosystem! Camera vendors did the same in the s and still dreaming for this times. But times are changing and if they do not find a way to produce and sell more desirable and appealing products they will go to ask Kodak how to proceed. Raise of the price is just no solution, it just screw already screwed market even more. Same as Olympus, they are failing for decades but tried to produce monster of a camera like Em1x :.

Seems like they listen to same analyzers! And I can give you examples! Too expensive 2. Overheating So this product is not desirable for me even I am on the market for it. And even if they drop the price at half I will not buy it.

And they are on mk7, they had a lot of time to fix it and make it better! No paly like Canon in last decade, new box and new sensor but crippled in the CPU. Ok no sale! Video-vs-photo: So you assume that everybody think the same about cameras and value features like you do?

Not going to happen. You want camera companies to invest considerable resources in making a low margin, high performing camera that most will not buy. The camera companies understand the market. They have a lot of smart people with access to data that we do not have. Magnar W Does not really matters what I think!

Apple sell well, ILCs not so well. There should be something right? TRU This is not what I am advocating for! This is just your interpretation. It is not correct though. And let me tell you I want nothing from ILC vendors! But if the want to sell something to me or someone else they need to get our attention. And what I see is they are falling flat on attract people with their products!

I am not buying Apple products also, but they do not really care because Apple sell to many others. And it is clear they do not understand market, also they do not understand the customer needs. This is confirmed by sales numbers. TRU Every camera vendor could cut their development and software cost by just go and do what smartphone vendors do. No, they like to invent the computer with every single camera model from scratch, this is production nonsense, and ultra expensive!

Same as Titanic – no problem guys full forward trough the ice! This is called arrogant, typical samurai, it will not stop until dead, does not matter if there is any meaning or no, just for the pride and the idea Video-vs-photo, no the low salary of professionnal photogs will not lower the prices, companies won’t adapt their price to this market but rich amateurs.

Camera companies can’t just go and buy the same chips that smartphone vendors do and add Android software. That wouldn’t necessarily work for their type of gear, and that would also still require huge development costs. Even if you buy a chip from another vendor, you still need to engineer it to work with your product. Also, because they couldn’t buy those chips in the same quantities as the smartphone companies, they would pay far more per chip. And if they did manage to make this work, then what?

You’d still be left with the fact that most users prefer the ease of use and convenience of the smartphone rather than any dedicated camera. Users will never perceive any dedicated camera as easier to use or carry than their smartphones. There is no going back and reclaiming the camera market from smartphones.

The most camera makers can do is compete for a higher end niche. Yet the vast majority of users opt for smartphones. The fact is that the market has shifted dramatically towards smartphones. That isn’t coming back. What remains are professionals and generally higher end enthusiasts. That is the market for the camera manufacturers. Dear TRU, Does not matter my flaws or cheap options on the market.

At the end product is not good, and mostly people buy when need new equipment or rich enough people with photo hobby. Mass people are totally disconnected from this products and offerings.

Same for camcorders BTW! There are so many obstructions and nonsenses on this market and along the photographic workflow that it is unexplainable why this market is still alive. Same story if you look at inkjet printer market! Yet another area occupied by Japanese oligopoly! And please stay away from technical explanations and arguing. You have no idea what you are talking about! For example a5xxx-a6xxx, and other models are really ARM and android based.

And they had Android apps which was not bad. CPU power and efficiency with mobile chips is with orders of magnitude better compared to any ILC chip. So it is clear that it is not only possible but doable even right now! JPM29 This is just one parameter of the market which just make things worse. But if your main customers can not afford your products this looks like disaster to me? As you can see cameras are cheaper today than at any other point in the history of digital photography.

The Mad Kiwi In absolute value you may be right! And in general mass of world population do not become rich! BUT 2 At same point expensive smartphones are selling like hot cakes on very short cycles – every year new model!!! And their prices also grow! So the problem is not they have models with higher prices. One of the problems with ILCs are tries to push everyone in format wagon. I can buy cheap smartphone with latest tech, and also I can get latest tech for high price. Low range ILCs are still at level.

So in general you have point, but when we look at specific it is not exactly the case. For me the camera is a gold because it gives me the tilt-and-swivel screen, the battery, the twin card slots and the lifeline to carry on using all my legacy A mount glass via an affordable adapter.

If you are buying a camera for ISO 50K you are definitely in a specialized use. The reason is simple, in good light conditions all cameras are good, and some of my contracts lead me to shoot in very dark conditions people moving quickly dansing or playing music. The reason I took the left of the screen is that there is less light and faces because I don’t see the interest of shooting a newspaper but faces, mainly eyes with the shadows.

Also I use inside body jpegs because I have to process and give the photos asap. That said, with the R5 you have better tool than the A1 in low light. JPM29 I picked that sample because text offers good sharp small details to make the comparison more obvious.

Feel free to move around toward the darker ares, still the R6 images is the least sharp of the three. Don’t you think to be a bit condescending telling me “with the R5 you have better tool than the A1 in low light”. Wouldn’t you think I know better? Reilly Diefenbach. Yes, that where I can sometimes go now with the R6, here is a link with Armandino, you can take it as you want, it was not an attack.

Anyway, you can see more details in A1 photos, I don’t see it, anyway the end result is crap and unexploitable. And with less light in real conditions, it would be even worse, impossible to present that. JPM29 may I take you to a slightly better place?

Same but RAW instead of silly mushy jpg? JPM29 I’d say you are full of it: 1 The A1 clearly shows more fine details 2 Assuming you cannot see 1 how do you come to the ” end result is crap and unexploitable” 3 you conveniently avoided acknowledging that in e-shutter the R6 and R5 are true garbage well below where you are drawing the ISO line. I have both R5 and A1, I used them both extensively for low light sports and events, I mean around to K images with each, and you want to lecture me with what you do not even have experience in using.

I never had any problem with my e shutter and I use it most of the time. For the rest, if you think that you see more detail in a dark photo, fine for you Btw it is simply impossible lifting shadows on my R5 in e- shutter at high iso, background banding is unacceptable. Do you shoot Raw or JPG?

JPM29 if you cannot see a difference in details in the links I sent you you are bluntly on denial or you need glasses. Just look at the the text area on the tubes in the widget windows.

Isn’t it about downsampling? So I suppose downsampling? Then again it’s friday. But everyone who says the A7iii is the greatest for astro gets bashed infinity because downsampling. In the text at 12 the R6 and A7 are about equal, the A1 a bit above. In the colour tube : 1 R6, 2 A7, 3 A1 I never had to correct the shadows that much with my R6, if I had, I would use the mechanical shutter.

Look at the first link how the lady’s eye is dark with the A1 and clear with the R6, and the difference would be wider in real life.

Becksvart, thanks, the eternal argument, “downsampling make the difference noise wise”, but I did not much in real life, and how to find details in the dark at high ISO? I guess there is a reason why astro photographers use the A7iii or R6 and not 50 MP cams. I prefer to use the good camera that the “we could”. The R6 gathers more light than the A7, A1, and R5. Someone above mentioned an R5, and what you are saying is probably true.

The R6 though is different because it only has 20MP. The way I like to explain it is the sensor but idk, I hate trying to explain something that I could be wrong about but whatever. So the reason the R6 can gather more light is because the pixel are is greater than the pixel area of those other cameras. But wait people say, they are all the same size, 35mm? The sensors are so good these days that they manufacture them with very little gap between them, better tolerance, and so now a days most people prefer to just get more pixels vs the better low light performance, which means a bunch of stuff, whatever is being talked about above.

As good as it has gotten these days to where down sampling gets you close, it is not the same, but could be argued its in the who cares category. So in closing, if I was going for Astro stuff specifically I would go R6, sports and lots of action all the time R6. Do not need to crop much, the R6. I see it as better performance for your hardware, on the Canon side, the R6 has the same hardware as the R5, so you can imagine what a beast that camera is. Salgado, the R5 has more pixels but is noisier.

For what I do, I would not exchange my cam against the R5 or the A1. So it also has whatever benefit that brings. BTW I think went off on many tangents like I always do.

I personally have nothing against the A7 or Sony, it is not for me but that is ok, and then I went on promoting the R6, but I felt like this was turning into a debate about which one was better so I made my argument.

Canon’s are a real treat to use. The HUGE downside is how pricey Canon is, it is completely out of control, but nothing we can do about that.

I still buy it, I have the means and it is what I like, but it hurts me every time for sure. Try to be more realistic in you expectations of ANY camera in the future. I know you will not reply to my post, since your OP was ridiculous in the first place.

Ah ah ah. Where is your gallery and gear list? Do you even take pictures, or own a camera? Do you normally take pictures at , if yes, why would you do that?! I realize you will not answer either of those questions, but I figured I ask anyway, just to make you look like the fool or troll you are.

I had a gallery on Smugmug before but I do it differently now using WeTransfer. And I let you with your insults,. I know you can’t or won’t answer that question, but I tought I’d ask any way, just to see if you would try. If not, crawl back under your rock, or dark basement trolling against all Sony cameras. BUT, if you are coming here relatively often you should be educated at good base level!

For now you demonstrate missing basic sensor knowledge and in addition you are doing very cherry picking comparisons! So let me educate you a bit Ok you see many people talking total nonsense as “R6 gather more light” really?

Ok where is the right eye of the woman in question? JPM29 Where is the color from this samples? As you can se you should buy A7S3 or Panny S But no need to try to draw conclusion for sensor performance from your very specific use case. And clear liking for R6 jpeg engine. Same for A7S3. Which is the reason for more shot noise in the image. Most probably this comes from the lens, or could be because on-site conditions. This is why this “comparison tool” can not be really used for very “scientific” tests.

But it is enough to get some idea how sensor performs, totally useless for fueling forum wars, and endless comments If you pick crappiest sensor on the market – Canon RP – you will see not really worse performance. Just difference in jpeg engine. So your effort to show the R6 sensor supremacy fall in the dust of your cherry picking on dpr comparison tool. From that comparison, the A1 is superior to both the A7iv and the R6.

The real point here is that it really does not matter, at this exposure levels you have tons of shot noise. You can see the old RP sensor is pretty much very close Many people talk like sensor gather the light And at this point there is almost no light No other way around. Could be much better to shoot video and grab stills from it where frames are freeze enough. And do not need to make dark and dim place to look like at bright day light I never said the R6 was capturing more light.

Now, I took your exemple at that I never use and put it at I told you this is cherry picking and has no real value.

You need to learn what is shot noise. You can not use this images like this. Also many people told you already using ISO 50 – is nonsense. Your sensor has stop DR! And as I told you even RP will be good enough for this job. Differences in this range are negligible at best.

So for you R6 is total winner, in reality this is nonsense. In the first exemple you linked the cameras are about the same because in the well lighted area of the photo. With my 6D I was going up to , now i can go up to with the same quality, is not portrait photography it’s dance scene or street photography by night. If some don’t believe, no problem. JPM29, you have posted 25! Why are you so passionate about this, and what do you think you need to prove? Get a life! JPM29 You see R6 always much better when if there is any difference it negligible.

So this is what is called happy customer :. When conditions are not so difficult I use the 85mm 1. Then priority Aperture at 1. Sometimes I put the Iso on automatic, sometimes I can use the manual mode to control the opening and the speed, but rarely as I generally have to be at 1. I try to limit myself to or photos in the evening to limit post processing.

So I have to go at very high iso even if the photo is not technically perfect. These are some example of setting, it varies with each place, lighting, and dancers. Ohh man, we talk about real darkness here. BTW of course you can control the speed. Most probably camera is trying to make absolute darkness looking as late afternoon. I would set manual all and paly only with ISO and aperture. As not trying to make darkness look bright and you should be at max even lower.

I see same effect when shoot video at events and lights come down for some transitions. Which is nonsense I do not need to make total dark scene looking like day time. It should stay dark at this point. Thank you for your point of view. As you say the problem is the that light change all the time, the light temperature changes too, the dancers have different clothes, some reflecting the light, some notl, some faces are tanned, some very white, if you focus on the face it is different than a wider view if they wear dark clothes.

And they move quickly, not easy. Everybody can have his own technique, I prefer controlling the aperture than the speed because the camera may set it to 2 while I want 1. I do not use manual for dancers because the light changes too quickly.

I do use it for singer where and when the light is more controlled. I want to focus on the subjet, the light on the face, the right time to push on the button. I never use flash, it destroys the ambiance and I am just against it. Yes, baclight is very insteresting, we have to find the source of light, position ourself and wait a couple of dancers are well place to shoot. Exactly because light changes all the time you do not like to adapt all the time!

You like to have static all settings, as much as you can. WB for sure need to be static, and you can not leave camera to decide on white vs dark dress and etc. If you like to have natural ambiance and atmosphere you should not use camera as night vision :. If atmosphere is dark frame should stay dark. Then later you can put some accent here and there half or full stop.

With this cameras with boosting ISO you just loose DR and chance to get some highlights here and there. Does not matter brand or model. So better stay at or and save DR for some highlights if needed. Later in post you can light up the scene if needed. Just my 5 cents. I adapt the WB to the lighting, withe lighting and I play on the temperature, different colours and the automatic WB is generally pretty good on the R6.

The most difficult is red lights. I want to keep the ambiance and the atmosphere as much as possible and I can play with the exposure for that. I could not do with the Rebel what I could do with the 5D, which could not do what the 6D could do and the R6 is amazing. What I hate is to be asked by the organizer to make a group photo without being prepared, you have to close the apeerture therefore increase the ISO and I go up to I don’t play with the highlights after, photos are good or not, that is the first sorting.

All the game in fact is to correct, and over or underexpose the subject depending on the light on him or behind, and that is all of training. Have a good photoshoot :.

Guess I stay with my MK1 for now lol. IQ is similar when postprocessing raws and who knows, even the eye AF might be more accurate on the mark 1 :-D. Some recent images from mk 1. For myself, the A7 original from time to time is also ok. Bad thing only, no bit lossless compressed RAW, mediocre battery life albeit better in airplane mode and no IBIS, and no real weather sealing, and of course the somewhat idiocratic menu system, but IQ is still nice.

Just added back a few years the EP-FDA18 eyecup, because being much softer, and out of curiosity a metal mount 3rd party solution, although i never had any kind of issue, with my mounted F4 or F4 Lenses It’s the person behind the lens, not the gear, as with every camera.

I’ve seen great shots with the A7 on the web. I modded my mk1 too, I am on my second one now, like with first one, second got the “tougher light tight mount”too, and then added my favourite arca swiss compatible L bracket, improves handling too.

Added circular viewfinder eye relief, works best for me, even better than the soft one you describe which is already very good upgrade over the original one. Also bought continuous power because little people know that MK1 has really lovely clean FullHD hdmi output which can run for hours without overheating issues, especially when recording to external device like your laptop or pc via cheap HDMI to USB3.

I get nice p. No hunting no flutter. Nice mod, vit. The eyecup looks cool, but would make the package something too big for me, although i always prefer rounded eyecups, since we don’t have square eyes. Yes, Sensor reflections can cause subtle issues, but to be honest, i never shot my A7 at nighttime, or when it’s dark outside, but my Fujis, or Nikon.

Great camera. I used it now for over 2 months. Set it up with a camset from Mark Galer with my own tweaks. With one click I can go from landscape settings to action or video. If you believe all the Canikon fanboys on these comments and there are a lot this would be a bad camera. Certainly not all the jokers that are bashing Sony whenever or wherever they can. And why it is not PRO camera? Man PRO camera is the camera from which you can make money, not the camera that could track fly eyes and shoot with 30 fps.

The whole DR thing is hilarious. If you expose correctly then whats the problem I think Canon knows what works for their faithfull, not always everyones system of choice but there is a reason why their 1. I have to come clean about that too. I never understood why I’d need more than one focus point and in the center too as I don’t mind recomposing.

My thoughts exactly! Check my comment above, this is the best starting FF or even doing pro work for a long time. Its the lens that counts! Ask yourself if Canon is so inferior and Sony is so incredible, why is it on Sony forums people are constantly trying to adapt Canon glass to their Sony camera all the while complaining they can’t get “Canon Color” or Canon Skin Tones.

Maybe it would just be easier to dump Sony and move back to Canon? This is like dumping your girlfriend for the so called “hotter” model and then trying to make her look like your ex, makes no sense. Believe me, it’s only Canon shooters who continually think that Canon colour is special.

No one else does lol. All the pictures and Video from the review there are not sharp at all – come on! Iphone does better! How this is a good thing? And Lacks 4K video and headphone port for audio monitoring in ???????!!!!! For 2K this is a joke? Canon this is simple!!! Hey, this model is aimed for other than videography main stream. For photographer occasional video is enough. It’s called product placement and Canon did great!

The vloggers who really want FF, this is great start if also good lenses are needed. Am I the only one that still thinking that this is a great camera? Some guys care too much with specs. Ok it is not sooo good when we try to blow a Iso photo. But is it really an impossible trade off if you consider the good things you will get? It looks like we have plenty of good drivers here, complaining of this entry level Ferrari that in the real live cannot even take a Subaru to its limits.

Viriato: of course it can take great pictures. But it does it no better than the original 6D, and until ISO , worse than the crop sensor 80D, both of which cost substantially less. It would be as if BMW rebranded an entry level Hyundai and charged you a 3 series price. The car would do just fine at getting you to work and back, or taking you and your family on vacations, but you grossly overpaid for it. If this camera is successful, it will be because of Canon’s marketing and the lack of technical savvy of its target customers.

Arun: The 6Dii hast just been my reliable companion on a Baltic sea vacation, and I must say: it does take great photos. I owned the old 6D before, and the new one is better with the higher resolution in regard. Might dynamic range of the 80d be better until ISO , so isn’t general image quality, especially seeing low light cababilities of the 6Dii, which are no point of complaint.

See the overall package and do not just focus on price and DR, which seems to be matter of exaggerated interest. Not one image I captured in my seaside vacation including sunsets and other contrast demanding situations where I have longed for more DR – correct exposure provided. So long as it works for you and gives you confidence that you can get great shots, that’s the most important thing. Arun: Totally agree with you. To use Viriato’s analogy, it would be like having the entry level Ferrari’s first gear deliberately sabotaged.

This was going to be my “let’s shoot some stock photos while I am on vacation” type camera. I think I’ll get the original 6D or a Pentax K I owned a 5DIII and loved it. I was of the camp that said who needs a 5 stop push or more than 11 stops DR or more than 21 MP resolution. I upgraded to the IV last year; I love how clean the shadows look.

I love how easy it is to recover when I do accidentally underexpose. I love how well controlled the noise is in my astrophotographs. So these days, I am much less dismissive of new features – bottom line is that they make your job a lot easier and help you take better pictures in tough situations and are more forgiving of your mistakes.

I’m sure the 6D II will take great pictures. But be aware that it is highly overpriced for what it provides. And don’t be so dismissive of increased DR or better AF systems until you actually try them. My prints are normally 60″x60″ or 60″x90″. I don’t miss the days when I would spend weeks enlarging the files of my 5DII to that size! Glad I didn’t wait for this and just bought a iv last year. Nikon’s flagship D5 has nearly the same “poor” DR as the 6D2.

In other words, the DR is fine for most professional uses. There is one flaw with this review: the author is forgetting the universal truth that you can vacillate all you want, but time often makes decisions for us.

If you bought a 6D five years ago and have been shooting it a few times a week as you should be, your 6D is probably starting to wear out, cable sockets get loose, the lens mount might be a little tweaked, the shutter could be nearing it’s rated life—in other words, it’s probably time for you to start considering a replacement.

And in another 5 years just as your 6DII is ready to give up the ghost, Canon will helpfully provide a replacement. What a shame!

If I were to become a racedriver and drive a car with hp I would surely think that’s pretty fast. But if I could get a car for less money with hp than that’s simply faster then a hp car. Canon is driving with pulled parking brake and made the 6D II partly worse on purpose than it could be. This is where the problem begins. If it had been a technological milestone there would have been more room for better specs and innovation on 6D II.

The summary doesn’t sound too wrong, but using strange analogies is always tricky: Horse power is not the main criteria for speed – just think of a hp truck pulling trailers of 40 tons around, compared to a Lotus Elise with less than a ton and “only” lesse than hp. I like the image quality of my 6D a lot and hoped for a worthy upgrade. For me 2 things are clear now. No question great pictures are possible with the camera, but so you can do with a lot of cameras.

Is Canon doing the bare minimum knowing that they will sell a lot of cameras and continuing doing so just waiting until the sales drop and only then delivering a better camera than similar priced competitors? Any ideas?

In my opinion, the engineers just went through the warehouse and had a look at what is still in stock and has to get out. Then they said to themselves: put that old stuff in a new, very slightly improved body, before the market for these huge heavyweights finally is dead and we cannot sell those parts any more.

You will see, that sells nevertheless and costs us practically nothing. And if not, no matter, that’s old anyway. Then and only then, is it time to make a really good upgrade. The Digital Picture reviewed this camera. Get this – they stated: ‘Overall, the 6D II’s video-specific features combined with its full frame sensor make it an attractive option for those interested in producing high quality films’ And then just above the final wrap up: ‘ the image quality, especially in low light, is stellar’.

With such disingenuous comments, the 6DII might indeed be a success for Canon. And hence encourage them to churn out more such weak products. You Art right. Some “review” sites praise everything so they don’t offend advertisers.

DPR, being owned by Amazon who could probably buy Canon outright, can be fully honest. If anything, they are being generous with their scores to avoid very low sales through Amazon. The fact that it got no award should tell you that they really think it is a piece of junk. I am a Canon guy, amateur. In other words.. I am the daddy wants to shoot pro-like pictures of my kids, shoot a little video of them starting to walk, doing something funny etc.

I invested about 8k so far into my set. I could buy 5D, but that simply is not my League and I don’t need many of it’s classy features, that’s for guys making money on the thing. End of the day the photo is the product, camera is just a part of the quotation.

Spending on something actually adds less value to the end product just makes no sense, whatever fancy tags does it have alongside. I’m in the same boat as you so feel the same way, totally! I was craving a flippy touchscreen like on my D that came out the same year as the 6Dmk1!

The internet has changed the retailing. Even in big cities, it’s very hard to find a camera store carrying many models for buyers to try. For example, I have not seen any store carrying Sony A7R2 in my area, so I totally rely on reputable review sites to buy cameras and lenses.

Back in the film era how many camera stores had very high end SLRs for you to just try in your city? Magazines did not get any cut from the purchases, stores got business.

Now, we read reviews online, and purchase via web links. The review sites get a cut from the purchases. Big difference for the stores. Most of them cannot afford carrying high end cameras.

There may have been more pro gear options for purchase in say Minneapolis, but even those stores didn’t really have the very high end SLRs on display for you to simply try in the shop.

And back then, it was understood very well, in the US, that ordering the gear from NYC stores would be less expensive than purchasing say a Nikon F4, or whatever the Canon equivalent was, than buying the same gear at the store in Minneapolis. The review websites don’t get any cut of the purchase if you don’t click on links directly on the review websites’ webpage. Also it’s more like getting a click fee, rarely is it a cut of the purchase. Agreed that NYC is outlier. I was about to buy 6D2, but DP’s review changed my decision.

It can’t be that wrong. Almost comments for a product that is in no interest for a large amount of readers here?!?! The lack of 4k was really overblown by YouTubers and commenters, however the fact that they didn’t improve the dynamic range over the original is inexcusable, especially in light of the improvements to the Rebel line.

This is a full frame camera, with limitations as it’s at the bottom of the food chain in Canon’s lineup.

I get that. However, it should not sacrifice image quality in any way, and that’s a real disappointment. Did you ever look through the viewfinders of the two cameras? The 6 D one and two both have much more possibilities for semi professional use. The controls feel much smoother and reliable, though this is also no problem in the As the Canon nomenclature says the 6 is two classes higher. First of all, Canon sells millions of cameras every year, and their lenses are very popular.

The fact that Sony users are buying Canon glass to put on their Sony cameras speaks to the quality and variety of Canon glass, which no manufacturer can touch. Second, they sell more than just cameras and lenses. They sell photo equipment, printers, scanners and commercial equipment. They are one of the largest photographic companies on Earth, if not the largest and the failure or success of one camera isn’t going to bury them. I love DP Review for information on gear, specs and the like Considering the major recalls of the Nikon D that should have downgraded its rating due to its unreliability stands to that.

I own a D, my first Nikon and I had to send it in due to warranty issues. I owned 6 Canon cameras prior to Nikon and not one camera I owned malfunctioned. Not one. Yes, Sony is selling less cameras than Nikon yet their no. You can sell cheap Rebels and 50 1.

Canon right now is just like Nokia in Yes, their share in numbers are huge, but Sony just making more money per camera or per glass. Last time I’ve checked this is how Apple won the cell market. Also photocopiers is not that future-proof business you wanna bring into discussion, you know.

The World is rapidly adopting electronic paper circulation and Canon could be left behind even here in 10 years or so. I stand by my statement. Canon isn’t going to sink because some pixel peepers don’t like the 6D2. Canon is a diversified company, and the money they make from their cameras will sustain them, even if the 6D2 isn’t as profitable as they had hoped.

But considering more and more positive real world reviews are surfacing and people are uploading their images, it becomes apparent that the success or failure of an image depends on the photographer.

Canon will be perfectly fine. No company is perfect and all companies have their failures. Look at Donald Trump Several bankrupted casinos, a flopped University, a defunct airline and not to mention an unsuccessful steak company but he still managed to be the President of the USA and is still rich.

Canon didn’t accidentally cripple the 6D2. They were very meticulous in where they wanted this camera to sit. I will say the same for every company that makes a camera that makes some people scratch their head.

Such a tired theme from Sony fans. Apple burying Blackberry, Nokia, Windows Phone, etc. Excuse me, but which company, certainly not the behemoth Sony, has introduced a radical new camera system that has completely obsoleted all that came before it? Also, last I checked, high end DSLRs are not turned over at anywhere close to the rate that cell phones were.

People love throwing out fake facts like Canon is only popular because of Rebel. As you say, mate. But the fact is, in my line of work video production virtually every studio switched to Panasonic GH or Sony A7s with legacy Canon glass years ago.

Photo journos are wole another story mainly because their gear is supplied by the outlets, with whom Canikon have solid history , but this is not the main chunk of the photography market to begin with.

Changes are happening, like it or not, but it’s nice that you’re in the Denial stage atm. Nikon sold way more bodies than Sony, yet not Sony is bleeding money right now. Idk, do the math. Sure, Dual Pixel AF is great, but that’s the only thing in the last decade I would give them points for. Canon is making the same mistake that doomed so many companies in this new era of digital innovations. Being a captive of it’s own past success, it is afraid to cannibalize it’s own carefully segmented market, so it is not adapting fast enough to the changing conditions.

So it releases cameras that are fitting nicely in the artificial niches that never existed in the first place, but were forced on consumers with lack of other choices. Keep going like this, Canon, and you will lose everything. Look at Kodak, Polaroid, Blackberry, Nokia and countless other victims of their stagnant views.

Few more releases like this and we can add Canon’s name to the list. Things I like are:. And when you use it for video the demosaicing is very poor, and it can’t do more than seconds of raw video because of the SD controller bottleneck. The 6DII: still heavy, slow, etc. I got my 6D on a very limited budget as I wanted to keep the lenses I have. When it finally dies, there won’t be a Canon body worth thinking about.

Even the 5Ds are stupidly lumpen and unergonomic. Back in the day, you knew a pro camera, immediately you picked one up because of the build quality and the ergonomics.

It simply worked better and was easier to use. Not any more. I know I’m getting old, but now a 6D, batteries, three lenses and very limited flash kit weighs as much as the kit in the rucksack! This is no longer emerging tech. And yes, the segmentation is Canon’s fantasy: it will kill them.

This wrongful philosophy of ‘protecting’ the company’s high-end products, their market niche, is were it really starts to go wrong, always, for once market-leading, innovative big companies. I find it interesting that you say that the Canons lack good ergonomics, since one of the biggest pluses of the pro bodies is their ergonomics. I had a chance to handle the 6D2 and the 5D IV last week and found them more comfortable than my D It sounds like you want a lighter camera.

Go mirrorless. Fuji makes a great product. Don’t go Sony if you plan on staying light. Their new G Master lenses are no smaller than SLR lenses, and if you add a grip that will just make the system almost as heavy as the 6D you currently have. News flash: It ain’t gonna happen. I can think of two of these industries straight off the top of my head:. Photography is similar as well.

Canon will not go broke because a few obsessed gearheads on DP Review didn’t get 4k video and 25 stops of dynamic range in the 6d2. You contradict yourself. Weren’t these companies in the same “sector in the global economy” with Canon? Or you think that with advent of electronic sensor the innovations took a pause for the next years?

Canon stopped innovating. The 6D Mk. And who the hell buys a modern DSLR and bitches about the size? If you want the size benefits of a mirrorless camera, go buy one of those and stay away from any full frame DSLR. Why did you buy a camera with “gizmos you don’t need? Bullets in flight? Well if Canon won’t cannibilase their products, the competition will say thank you to all the people switching to them. Thanks DPreview for the review. I stopped waiting for Canon and placed order to Sony A7R2 yesterday.

I’m fully released now, no more frustrations with Canon. I’m sure it’s good for my health, too. Good choice. I have seen the writing on the wall and bought A7R2 this past winter. With all the quirks of that camera, it’s 5 years ahead of anything that Canon has to offer. Plus you can use any other glass including Canon with a range of adapters. DSLRs still have better focus sensitivity in dim light.

Especially with adapted lenses, AF becomes almost unusable and you have to switch to MF. Or in very contrasty scenes like shooting against the sun. I dont like the fact that you cant import from Google photos into Zoner.

If I get a new program how do I transfer all my photos from Zoner to the new programme? As I am already paying monthly for my Google account I would prefer a once off payment or a free one is it works well.

Depending on the program you choose, there may be some method of easily transferring images from one to the other. I was a fan of Picasa a number of years back.

Anyone familiar with doing this on a very large scale for a manufacturer with a huge number of product photography shots? Ideally we would love to have a single software platform where we can search by color, texture, product…etc and quickly obtain all of the images relating to that search term.

Thanks very much for the comment — an interesting question for sure. For a large-scale operation that you mention, Adobe Lightroom Classic would be a great choice. I would recommend doing the following:. Creating a solid folder structure where everything is organized You can do this in Lightroom 2.

Adding keywords to the photos so that they can be searched for easily. You can basically do everything in Lightroom — having a logical folder structure is always a great idea and its something I personally do before even considering keywords etc.

Once the basic structure is sorted, you can then use the keyword and search tools present in Lightroom. For example, you mentioned wanting to search for photos by different features like texture, and color — to do this, you would simply add relative keywords to the product photos.

Hi I have a collection of about 12, photos and videos on my iPhone X; these have been carried forward from several earlier phones and are all still on my current phone. Recently all the methods available for syncing photos with a PC have been locking up and refused to copy so I went for brute force and connected the phone to my NAS and just duplicated the DCIM folder off the phone.

If it can handle ongoing sync with my phone so much the better. What would you recommend? In reality, anyone of these programs could do what you requested — allow you to store and organize photos, whilst making them searchable too. Concerning the file format HEIC is a relatively new format — I would check that any software you wish to use first supports this file container. There is no magical program that will make your photos comprehensible — we always have to put in some initial work too i.

Alternatively, you could use a service like One Drive. This is kind of a separate issue from actually organising and storing photos on your computer, however. To bring it together, using a cloud service like Lightroom CC is what I would do — you could sync photos from external devices, catalogue them properly using the keywords and metadata tools, and it also supports HEIC. Again, to reiterate — this is what I would do personally because I have used Lightroom for many years, and it is also my main post-processing software.

You might take a look at Mylio for a simple solution or iMatch Photools for a more comprehensive solution. Burt et al — thanks for the article. Still need some more help sorting this out. Organizing is the issue for me plus simple editing nothing Photoshop fancy. I have about , pics that either are digital or are slowly being digitized.

I need to batch tag as many as at a time sometimes, but do one-offs other times. Facial recognition would be helpful, but not mandatory. I prefer to do all of this on my desktop, including storage. You might suggest Lightroom, but paying a monthly sizable subscription fee to Adobe forever is too painful, and it leaves me at the mercy of Adobe if they ever raise the prices even more than they already have.

I am OK on the tech-savvy scale, but I am 74 years old. Microsoft Enjoyed the article. I am scanning family photos and slides taken by my in-laws between I have organized the slides by roll and placed them in folders based on the month and year the rolls were developed for lack of a better way to organize them.

I want to be able tag the photos with the names of individuals in the photos [some have people] and the locations as I get feedback from family members. It would appear any of the above would work. My main concern is getting everything loaded into a database and then having support for the application dropped like what happened with Picasa. Is there a standard database exchange format, that would allow the sharing of metadata and photos between the applications reviewed.

For example if my niece uses Lightroom and I use FastStone Image Viewer, would we be able to exchange metadata and photos? The transferal of Metadata depends on how you save the file and the file format you use. In your example — both FastStone Image Viewer and Lightroom have support for Metadata and storing it in the exported files you save. Therefore, yes you could successfully transfer images and retain the metadata.

To add this Metadata in the first instance, you can add the information using the organizational software. For example, in Lightroom Classic, if you select an image thumbnail in the library view, the metadata is displayed on the right-hand side — you can enter details like a title, caption, rating, and even locational data. Hi Paul, thank you for both the reviews and the replies to comments — all very useful. My first requirement is speed and face recognition.

What would you recommend for my requirement? Cheers Nigel. Google Photos or iOS functions. ACDSee has cloud storage access and synchronization features — this includes OneDrive and Dropbox and customizable options.

This software also has facial recognition and face detection features, and you can actually import face data from other sources like Lightroom. Thanks for the comment! In most instances yes. If you are buying a completely new computer and HDD you would need to re-install the photo organizing software and start again. I would advise backing up your photos to a cloud storage service before buying a new computer so you can re-download them onto your new device.

Thanks for the question. This photo organizing software gives cloud access and allows you to access photos from OneDrive and Dropbox. You can also synchronize with these cloud storage solutions. I too like others on here loved Picasa. It was very user friendly. Now that I have a new computer, Windows 10, it only allows up to 5gb for photo storage.

My older computer did not have a limit on photo storage. What program out there is similar to Picasa without costing an arm and a leg and monthly fees? A great free alternative is FastStone Image Viewer. Not sure why your new computer would limit your photo storage though? The only limitation on storage would be if your HDD is full!

I cannot see any option on the screen facilities or in the tutorials to do this. The only option appears to be to rename the file but then how do we have several pictures with the same name?

What am I missing? You do indeed name a photo using the rename function. Simply right-click on an image thumbnail and choose the rename option. Alternatively, you can select multiple files using shift or ctrl select , and also use the rename option. This will rename the files and add a numbered sequence to them. Your email address will not be published. Save my name and email in this browser to see the comment immediatley and edit it if needed.

You can clear your browser data at any time. Notify me via e-mail if anyone answers my comment. Summary show. Windows Photo Organizers 1. Adobe Photoshop Lightroom Classic. Excire Foto. Magix Photo Manager Deluxe. FastStone Image Viewer.

Adobe Bridge CC. Adobe Lightroom Classic. Pros Excellent keyword search capabilities. Cons Expensive monthly subscription. Pros Extensive file management module. Cons Can have performance issues on lower-spec devices.

 
 

 

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Dec 1, The updates provided over the years vary in number, I assume, the actual number depends on the ACDSee product manager’s determination of need. New films are being announced, new cameras are being unveiled and we’ve rounded up a collection of film photography items you might want to consider getting over the holidays. The latest iteration of ON1 Software’s flagship Raw editor is jam-packed with AI smarts that aim to lighten your workload by taking subjects into account when making selections, applying presets, keywording and more. Introduction What’s new Interface Tests Conclusion. Chinese smartphone maker Tecno has announced a new flagship smartphone at an event in Dubai. View mode also gives you access to the Actions browser, through which you can preview the results of individual ACDSee Actions scripts as thumbnails and a larger single-image preview.